Peter Porter John 10:30 I and the Father are one. Tinitarian apologetics, what you'll usually get with this verse is a typical trinitarian shameless eisegesis kind of interpretation and you're expected to read the verse as if it says something like this: I and the Father are one divine ousia, one nature, one substance one being one essence etc. Or I and the Father are one God. Yes we are actually expected to mentally add words to the text despite the commands in scripture never to do such a thing. We are to believe the ludicrous idea that Jesus was teaching fourth century Athanasius theology to the first century Jewish religious establishment. So the typical trinitarian interpretation approach involves things like this, interpret the text to suit your doctrine don't even consider what was actually intended by these words of Jesus don't bother to ask yourself what did Jesus really mean here. No don't bother doing that you simply don't care what Jesus intended you will just insist Jesus meant what you're itching ears want to hear not what He wanted you to hear, your personal desires are to be served not Jesus.
Your man-made trinitarian traditions are to be served not the teaching of Jesus who cares what Jesus really meant and if you carefully watch you'll see that's exactly what they do. I and the Father are one so what did Jesus mean by that what did he intend by that? Because that's all that matters what Jesus intended by his own words. Let's take a verse like this Ephesians 5:31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. So are we going to conclude that Adam and Eve are one human being, maybe they're two persons of a triune humanity. Because in trinitarianism the triune God is a single “I”, “He” “Me” are you going to say Adam and Eve are one “i” “me” or one “he” like the trinity. That is not what words like this mean “I and the Father are one”. Here are some of the facts that trinitarians just ignore for the sake of their doctrine. Holy Father keep them in your name the name which you have given me that they may be one just as we are one John 17:11. Jesus prays for his disciples to be one and not only that, he says just aswe are one. He's praying to the Father just as we are one I'm praying that they may be one. Are the disciples God to?
As a trinitarian who really doesn't care what Jesus intended as in John 10, you will completely ignore the facts like this and completely dismiss them. Facts like this just will not serve you. And serving yourself is what really matters right. Serving the truth who cares. Again in John 17:20-23 when Jesus is praying to the Father he says this, I do not ask on behalf of these alone, his twelve disciples - but for those also who believe in me through their word that they may all be one just as You, Father, are in me and I in You, that they also may be in us so that the world may believe that You sent me. The glory which You have given me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as we are one. I and the Father are one, just as we are one, I in them and You and me, that they may be perfectly one. Or as it more literally says that they may be perfected into one. Notice how he says just as we are one. In the Gospel of John you get this kind of thing all the time. If you're wondering what something means the explanation is almost always somewhere else in his gospel.
Jesus prays for his disciples to be one just as he and the Father are one, how then are the disciples one with Jesus and the Father and themselves. Notice the language here what does it mean that the Father and son are in you? As a disciple you are in the Father and son, the Father are in me and I in you. That they may also be in us, I in them and You and me are one. Well the answers are in John's writings, By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commands. The one who says, I have come to know “Him,” and does not keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him but whoever keeps His word, in Him the love of God has been truly perfected. By this we know that we are in Him, the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk just as He walked. 1 John 2:3-6 is talking about abiding in Christ by keeping His commands, the one who keeps God's commands. It just says His commands but in context you can see that it means God's commands abides in him and He in him. God abides in you, you abide in Him if you keep His commands, we know by this that He abides in us by the Spirit whom He has given us.
That's how we know we don't have to guess that God is abiding in us because He has his spirit in us and Jesus explains this quite thoroughly at John 15:4-15, abide in Me and I in you as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine so neither can you unless you abide in me. I am the vine you are the branches he who abides in me and I in him bears much fruit for apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away as a branch and dries up and they gather them and cast them into the fire and they are burned. If you abide in me and my words abide in you ask whatever you wish and it will be done for you. Well how do you abide in Jesus? He's going to tell you my Father is glorified by this that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples. He's explaining that if you don't bear fruit you're cut off so to abide in Him you must bear fruit because if you don't bear fruit He's explaining you're gonna be cut off from the vine, and apart from me you can't do anything. My Father is glorified by this that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples just as the Father has loved me I have also loved you abide in my love. If you keep my commands you will abide in my love just as I have kept my Father's commands and abide in His love.
It is very clearly here Jesus is explaining how we abide in Him and He in us, we have to bear fruit we have to keep these commands that He's giving and teaching His disciples. You know the big command is love one another, as he goes on to say we are only in Him if we abide in Him and He in us and we abide in him, by doing what He says. It has to do with the things we do so when we come back to this passage in John 17 where he talks about how the Father's in Me and I in you and they in us, I am in them, You in me. Jesus is referring to purpose and will doing the will of the Father, Jesus abided in the Father by doing his will keeping his commands. We just read that and His disciples abide in Jesus will by keeping His commands. What do you think Jesus is praying for? that his disciples become part of the trinity that they may become one divine ousia along with Jesus. No, so then what is He praying for? How are they going to be one with each other and one with Jesus and the Father and have one will? By being obedient to the will of God just as Jesus was obedient to the will of God. Jesus is referring to purpose and will, doing the will of the Father that they may be one just as we are one.
How that they may all be one just as You Father are in Me and I in You. Why is He in the Father and the Father in Him? Jesus explains it in John, I keep my Father's word and my Father abiding in me does the works. Let's go back to John 10:30 in the context we'll see this very clearly and we just got to back up a few verses where the Jews are talking to Jesus. If you are the Christ tell us plainly, Jesus answered them, I told you and you do not believe the works that I do in the name of the Father, these testify of me but you do not believe Me because you are not my sheep my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me, and I give eternal life to them and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. The Father is greater than everybody including Jesus and then he says I and the Father are one, the Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Listen carefully to what Jesus says, Jesus answered them I showed you many good works from the Father for which of them are you stoning me. You see how that tells you what Jesus means when he said I and the Father are one, so they pick up stones to stone him and he says which of these good works are you stoning me for. Because that's what I'm talking about when I say I am the Father are one, for which of them are you stoning me I am the Father are one.
Jesus explains throughout the Gospel of John what is going on between him and the Father and their unity of purpose and will. I've just took a couple of examples here, one from John 8 where he says I am NOT alone but I and the Father who sent me. I am He who testifies about myself and the Father who sent me testifies about me, He who sent me is true and the things which I heard from Him these I speak. Jesus doesn't speak his own stuff he speaks his Father's will to the world they did not know that he had been speaking to them about the Father the book of John. These Jews never understand Jesus talks about that here in John 8 and they say to him they can't understand him because they want to do the desires of their Father the devil and they are not of God. He who sent me is with me He has not left me alone for I always do the things that are pleasing Him. I always do what is pleasing to the Father I do know Him and keep His word. This is how Jesus is one with the Father the words I say to you I do not speak from myself, in other words I it's not my will to speak these words this isn't my stuff it's the Father's. I do not speak from myself but the Father abiding in me does the work John 14:10.
We're going to come back to that. In John 7:16 He says my teaching is not mine but the Fathers who sent me and He says that in response to the Jews who were completely amazed at his teaching and they were wondering how he could be teaching this stuff when he was an uneducated man. He says my teachings not mine it's the Father's and here he says I do not speak for myself but the Father abiding in me does the works. Think about how Jesus teaches his disciples that when they go before governors and courts not to think about what to say because it will be the spirit of your Father speaking in you. Let's go back to this context, if you are the Christ tell us plainly, the works that I do in the name of my Father these testify of me, these testify of me I and the father are one, and they wanted to stone him, he says I showed you many good works from the Father for which of them are you stoning me. I and the Father are one, and in what way are they one? if I do not do the works of my Father do not believe me but if I do them, though you do not believe me, believe the works so that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I in Father.
I and the Father means, I'm doing the Father's will, I'm abiding in my Father and that's the reason my Father is in me. It's the same with us in Christ, if we abide in Him He's going to abide in us you see how this is related to works here and how Jesus is talking about being in unity of will and purpose with the Father in the things that He does. Notice again, You Father are in me and I in you, I in them and You in me that they also may be in us. God abiding in us, Jesus abiding in us, us abiding in Jesus, us abiding in God. John uses all that language and this is what this unity is about and how does it occur by being obedient to the will of God in the things that we do. That's why Jesus ends this by saying so that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I in the Father. You see how that's He's relating not to the works that He's doing because you abide in the Father by doing His works. That's what Jesus is saying, I abided in His love by doing His commandments and that's how the disciples are one. The works that I do I and the Father are one, I showed you many good works from the Father, believed the works if you don't believe me.
You see what He's saying there He's saying the works testify that it's the Father in me and he's really getting at the fact, I want you to believe in God and this is a work of God that I'm doing I'm able to do nothing of myself but only what I see the Father is doing.I speak these words you hear, I do not speak from myself it's the Father abiding in me that does the works. See this language the Father's in me and I in the Father, that's the same language he's using when he's praying for the disciples, but they may be one just as we are one. I in them You in me, them in us. Same thing and what is the unity of will that Jesus is praying for or what is the oneness that Jesus is praying for in John 17? it's obviously a unity of purpose and will. He's not praying for them to be part of the trinity it has nothing to do with having one substance or essence, the context one means unity of will purpose the will of theFather. When Jesus does these works it's a manifestation of the will of the Father I and the Father are one, the Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them I showed you many good works from the Father for which of them are you stoning me? You see he's telling you right there how He and the Father are one.
Jesus is in unity with the Father in terms of the works he is doing from the Father, he just said that in other words he obeys the will of the Father and is one with the Father in terms of the purpose and will of the Father. Jesus was led by the spirit of his God to do God's will. Jesus has the very same thing in mind when he prays for the disciples to be one with himself and the Father. look at Eph 4:4-6 Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love, being diligent to preserve the unity of the spirit.... being one with each other one with the spirit one with Jesus and one with the Father. How? in purpose and will that's what he's talking about in terms of unity of purpose, the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace, one body one spirit just as also you were called in one hope of your calling, one Lord one faith one baptism one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
Why would verse 6 end that way? because it's all got to do with the will of the Father one purpose and one will of the Father. I and the Father are one. I showed you many good works from the Father. Notice that Jesus expects them to stone Him for what He was saying and He assumes they are stoning Him for the works He was doing, because it is this way in which he and the Father are one. The works that I do in the name of my Father, I and the Father are one. I showed you many good works from the Father for which of them are you stoning me. Then he goes on to say a little later if I do not do the works of my Father don't believe me, but if I do them, though you do not believe me believe the works so that you may know and understand the Father is in me and I am in the Father. I and the Father are one why? because the Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father. Guess what, that is also true of believers the Father and the son abide in believers, and if they're obedient to the Father and the Son they abide in Christ. Believe because of the works themselves. Jesus says that somewhere else, he that seen me has seen the Father, how can you say show us the Father? well that's because Jesus is manifesting the Father in the things he's saying and doing. You do not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me.
There's that language again the words that I say to you I do not speak from myself but the Father abiding in me does the works. Jesus keeps his Father's word but he says the Father is abiding in me is where these works are coming from, they don't come from me, I just obey what the Father is doing or what the Father wants me to do and wants me to say. I'm in the will of the Father my will and His will are one, because I obey Him. I keep His word, believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Jesus repeats again, otherwise believe because of the works themselves, these are the Father's works the Father's will. To believe in the works is to believe in God the Father. See how those two are the same Jesus is saying the same thing in John 10, believe the works as he is saying in John 14:11 when he says the same thing. Jesus did not do his own will but only the will of the Father he says at John 6:38 and this way he kept the Father's word by doing the works of the Father and he was one with the Father in terms of the purpose and will of the Father by doing the works of the Father. He was in unity with the Father in terms of the works he did. He was the Father's word and His work, word accomplishes His will.
Jesus embodied the Father's word because he kept His word and he is one with the Father in terms of purpose and will with the Father. He is praying for the disciples to be one with himself and with the Father just as he was one with the Father in terms of doing His will. Think about when the Father creates the world and He speaks when His word goes out on the breath of his mouth. Do you think it's going to be one with Him? of course it is, it's going to accomplish His purpose and will. That's what Jesus is saying about himself that he's one with the Father because he keeps his Father's word, and he obeys the Father. Here it is in a nutshell in the context if we just really appreciate the context and what these words actually mean it's very clear what Jesus means when he says, I and the Father are one. But in trinitarianism especially in the world of trinitarian apologetics you don't care about facts like these. You don't really care, you want to sell your product you want to serve yourself and your doctrine, so what Jesus really meant who cares, you have absolutely no regard or respect for what Jesus said. Because you've got your own purposes to serve, but if you're honest with yourself I think you can see what Jesus really meant when he said I and the Father are one. Paul says in Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Well is this not the same message that we as believers should be one with Jesus will and purpose so that if unbelieving people see you speaking and doing things, they would think it is Jesus doing and speaking. God bless you.