How God The Father Denied The Trinity

How God The Father Denied The Trinity

Peter Porter

There is a cluster of passages in the book of Isaiah where Yahweh God excludes everybody else and He says things like I'm Yahweh God and there is no other God besides me, there's nobody else and so trinitarians customarily just identify the speaker here as the triune God or the triune being and they have to because if someone like the Father was saying these things. He's excluding everyone else and that would mean Jesus can't be God. You can't have a third person of the trinity being God because the Father would be saying “I'm God and nobody else is God” because that's what those statements mean. There's nobody else but Me and if the Father is speaking, that destroys the doctrine of the trinity so by an act of their own will they will say “o this is the triune God speaking”


Let's just look at some of these passages and then I want to show you how the Bible undeniably identifies the speaker of these passages as God the Father. Isa 43:10-11 So that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed and there will be none after Me I even I am Yahweh and there is no Savior besides Me. Isa 44:6 Thus said Yahweh the king of Israel and his redeemer Yahweh of hosts I am the first and I am the last and there is no God besides Me. Isaiah 44:8... is there any God besides Me or is there any other Rock? I know of none Isa 44:24 I am the maker of all things stretching out the heavens by myself and spreading out the earth all alone. Isa 45:5 I am Yahweh and there is no other besides Me there is no God. Isa 45:6 There is no one besides Me Isa 45:18 ..I am Yahweh and there is no other I am Yahweh and there is none else. Isa 45:22 I am God and there is no other.


These verses are all in Isaiah 45, so who said this in Isaiah 42:1? Behold, my servant whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put my spirit upon Him, He will bring forth justice to the nation's. Who said that? well our first clue comes from the Book of Isaiah, Yahweh is the Father of Israel. Isa 63:16 For You are our Father though Abraham does not know us and Israel does not recognize us. You, O Yahweh, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name. Isa 64:8 But now, O Yahweh, You are our Father we are the clay, and You are Potter, and all of us are the work of your hand.




















We see here Yahweh is Israel's Father, that should be our first clue that God the Father is the speaker of those verses that we just looked at. Here is another one, the Jews said it to Jesus at John 8:41 “We have one Father God” From the passages we just read from Isaiah you can see where the Jews got that idea that God is their Father.


We just read two passages from Isaiah that speak of Yahweh God as the Father of Israel and so the Jews would say we have one Father God. But notice what Jesus does here He confirms that their Father the One they're calling Father and their God, is His Father. It is my Father who glorifies me of whom you say he is our God John 8:54. Jesus confirms their Father and His Father are the exact same Father it's kind of pitiful that we actually have to point this out but when you're speaking with trinitarians they try saying things like the Father is the triune being in those passages. Here's another passage, Hosea 11:1, Exo 4:22-23 When Israel was a youth I loved him and out of Egypt I called my son. Well this is quoted at Matt 2:15 This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet; out of Egypt I called my son. Who has to be saying that? it has to be the Father saying that. The Father is saying this in reference to Jesus at Matt 2:15 “Out of Egypt I called my son” so therefore we know it's the Father speaking at Hosea. When Israel was youth I loved him, so here again we can see really clearly that Jesus doesn't have one identity as his Father and Israel has another identity as their Father.


Israel's Father and Jesus father are the exact same identity namely the Father of Jesus. We can see that again here and these two verses in Isaiah. Let's come back to this passage at Isa 42:1 and we'll see most definitely that the Bible shows us that God the Father is the speaker here, Yahweh is the Father and not anybody else, it can't be anybody else or a whole bunch of other things in the Bible are just not going to work. First of all it's not going to make sense to say this is a triune being speaking because we're going to see in a minute that this verse is being applied to Jesus, and it's not going to make sense to say Jesus was involved in putting his spirit on Jesus. You see what I mean, if Jesus is one member of this triune god and is it's going to make sense to say the triune being put his spirit upon Jesus? Because then Jesus would be involved in putting his spirit upon himself it's not going to make any sense. Another thing is that we know it can't be the son speaking, and that rules out the triune being, first of all it says here in Rom1:1-3 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called apostle, set apart for the good news. God which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy scriptures concerning his son.


The word “God” there in this verse has to be the Father because it's referring to His son, and notice it also talks about the good news promised by God through His prophets. Well where do we find that? take a look at Isaiah 52:7 and Isa 61:1. You see here that's the Father speaking through His prophet Isaiah just as Paul is saying here and promising this good news and that's exactly what Isaiah is talking about. These two verses cited here show us that can't be Jesus speaking anywhere in the Old Testament. Actually not just in Isaiah but anywhere in the Old Testament because of what the Hebrews writer says. Heb 1:1-2 God after He spoke long ago to the Fathers and the prophets in many portions and in many ways in these last days has spoken to us in a son. You see what he's saying there, he's saying in the old days before Jesus, God spoke to us through the prophets but now God speaks to us in a son. This statement isn't going to make any sense at all if the Hebrews writer actually believed that God was speaking to Israel in a son before hand. His statement would be pointless nonsense.


I hope you can be reasonable enough to see that there's no way that God could have been speaking through the son, if you will, in the Old Testament it's impossible. He's only speaking to us through a son in these last days in other words since Jesus was born and lived and died and rose again. It can't be the son speaking in Isaiah, and it also rules out the triune god if you think about it. There's even more weighty positive evidence, it is easy to see that God is saying these words through His prophet Isaiah. Paul tells us and the Hebrews writer tells us that it's God the Father speaking through His prophets. In both those verses in Romans and in Hebrews it has to be the Father because it's referring to His son. God the Father speaks through His prophet Isaiah we're being told that and at Matt 12:18 we find Isa 42:1 being quoted. This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet; Behold, My servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom my soul is well pleased .I will put my spirit upon Him and He shall proclaim justice to the nation's or righteousness to the nation's. I will put my spirit upon Him, who did that? who put his spirit upon Jesus?


I think it should be really obvious, but let's just show it here, one thing this Greek word “Pais” “my servant” it's not the same word that you will see as for example when Paul says he's a “servant of Jesus” that's more like a slave kind of servant. This word “Pais” means more like a servant child kind of idea, it connotates a servant and a son or a child, kind of all in one breath. Let's look at a couple of examples: Herod massacred all the children (same word “Pais”) who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the Magi Matthew 2:16. Luke 2:43 As they were returning, Jesus family Joseph and Mary after spending the full number of days, the boy “Pais” Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. Same word that's translated as servant at Matthew 12:18. See another example one that's kind of interesting, And there was a royalofficial whose son (huios) (we us that's kind of a normal word if you just want to say son) was sick at Capernaum. He went to him and was imploring him to come down and heal his son.


Jesus said to him go your son lives and so his servants met him John 4:46-54. When Jesus was on his way back saying that his son “Pais” was living. By studying these verses you will see how that word works. We can see that it's the Father who puts His spirit upon Jesus because Jesus is the Father's son, he's the son of God the Father that is why “Pais” is used for son. We can ask this question who put his spirit upon Jesus? Matt 3:16-17,Isa 11:2,61:1,Luke 4:18,Act 10:38 Another way we can see how it works is in the phrase this is “My beloved son” at Matthew 3:16-17 when Jesus is being baptized there's a voice that comes out of heaven the Spirit of God comes down, and the voice out of heaven says “this is my beloved Son” in whom I am well pleased. It is obviously God the Father. It should be pretty clear like when you compare these two verses “this is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased, “my servant son, I will put my spirit upon him etc, even the language at Matthew 3:16-17 “in whom I am well pleased” at Matthew 12:18 and “whom my soul is well pleased you see that it's all the same kind of stuff. It is very obvious that it's the Father putting His spirit upon Jesus.


You'll see why we're making a point of this in a minute, and again we know about the outpouring of the Spirit and Jesus receiving the Spirit is the promise of the Father. We're told that at Acts 2:33,Acts 1:4-5,Joel 2:27-28,Luke 24:49. Peter stands up and quotes Joel 2:28 after the day of Pentecost to show that the outpouring of the Spirit is the promise of the Father. Jesus also had received the promise of the Father. It says here in Acts 2:33 Having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, so Jesus first received the promise of the Father and then when He is raised from the dead he pours out the promise of the Father ie the Holy Spirit on his disciples. The evidence is very weighty, that it's God the Father who puts His spirit upon Jesus. Luke 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord” (and this is a quote from Isaiah 61:1) “The spirit of Yahweh is upon me, wherefore He anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release the captives one. Who sent Jesus? God the Father so there it is again, everything points to God the Father. It should be pretty clear by now I mean we shouldn't even have to go through all this. It should be obvious just by reading the verse that it was God the Father who put his spirit upon Jesus. Jesus received the promise of the Father the Holy Spirit and as we see on Pentecost the disciples received the promise of the Father.


We see Yahweh is Israel's Father which is also Jesus Father so when Isaiah is talking about Yahweh as our Father that's Jesus Father and so he's identifying Yahweh as the Father of Israel and we can see that's Jesus Christ's Father. The Bible shows us that the Father spoke through the prophets and He promised the good news which Isaiah is talking about. Matt 12:18 the Father put his spirit upon Jesus and Isaiah 42:1 which this is quoting is in the context of this these cluster of passages where God speaks of Himself exclusively, I am Yahweh and there's nobody else and so that's very significant. let's look at these passages again. We know that God the Father is speaking in this context. Before Me there was no God formed and there will be none after Me, I even I am Yahweh and there is no Savior besides me. If you read the New Testament it says that God raised up Jesus to be savior and Jesus is God's salvation in fact the Bible says God had raised up many saviors and that's why He can say this, these saviors don't exist without God. He is the one who raises them up God the Father does. Before me there was no God formed and there will be none after Me Isaiah 2:11. God the Father saying this, thus says Yahweh the king of Israel and his redeemer Yahweh of hosts I am the first and I am the last and there is no God besides Me Isa 44:6.


If you look at the context really closely there His Redeemer means Israel's Redeemer throughout these chapters, Isaiah is depicting or portraying Israel as Jacob like a single man kind of idea, it's all over the place in these chapters, king of Israel and his Redeemer. If you just check the same chapter you'll see that his redeemer means Israel's redeemer. The father says I am the first in the last and there is no God besides Me, that's the Father saying that, He's excluding everybody else, is there any God besides me? the answer's no, is there any other Rock Isa 44:8? The answer's no God says I know of none. God the Father is saying this. I Yahweh am the maker of all things stretching out the heavens by myself and spreading out the earth all alone Isa 44:24. God the Father is saying I created everything all by myself and I was all alone when I was doing it, that excludes everybody else. Nobody else can be God but the Father. You might get some trinitarian saying something goofy like, well you know but this is Isaiah 44 and not Isaiah 42 or something silly like that, like no Isaiah 44 is really far away from Isaiah 42 and the speaker change or something weird like that. I mean anything goes in trinitarian world so you can expect that kind of thing.


Look at Isa 44:3 For I will pour out water on the thirsty land and streams on the dry ground; I will pour out my spirit on your offspring And my blessing on your descendants. Who said that? we know who said that because we're told in the New Testament Luke 24:49,Act 1:4-5,2:33 that this is the promise of the Father to pour out His spirit. Okay so the Father is speaking in Isaiah 44 and the Father says I am Yahweh and the maker of all things stretching out the heavens by myself and spreading out the earth all alone. I mean it's ridiculous that we actually have to explain this you know, it's pretty obvious if you just look at Matt 12:18 quoting Isaiah 42:1 God the Father is the speaker. You shouldn't have to go to this length of showing why He's still the speaker in Isaiah 43 and 44 etc. Unfortunately because of trinitarian comments we do. Again in Isaiah 45:5 I am Yahweh and there is no other besides me there is no God. God the Father said that there is no one besides Me I am Yahweh and there is no other God Isa 45:6. The Father said that I am Yahweh and there is none else Isa 45:18. God the Father said that I am God and there is no other God. The Father said that. God the Father is making it very very clear I'm God nobody else is God Isa 45:22. It's a no-brainer if you just look at these verses and we know it can't be the Son.


God did not speak to us in a Son in the Old Testament He only began to speak to us in a Son in these last days Heb 1:1-2. In the Old Testament He spoke to Israel through the prophets. God after he spoke long ago to the fathers and the prophets in many portions and in many ways in these last days has spoken to us in His Son. That not only rules out Jesus but also the triune being. We have all this evidence that God the Father is the One doing the speaking. We also have evidence that it's not the son or the triune being, it's very very weighty evidence God the Father spoke through the prophets in the Old Testament. Including Isaiah promising the good news which Isaiah talks about, He did not speak to Israel in a son in the Old Testament. The Book of Isaiah and the Bible shows us in various ways that it was the Father of Jesus speaking in these passages that we just looked at. God the Father made it very very clear that only He is God and nobody else is God. It is very very clear a small child can understand the language used without braking the rule of language. One more time just take a look at these verses where God the Father excludes everybody else, everyone He's saying “I'm it nobody else” in these passages. The speaker declares He is God and nobody else is God.

Yahweh our Father There is no one besides me

The Scriptures make it abundantly clear it was God the Father who was speaking in these verses and it makes it clear it wasn't the son as well. The Book of Isaiah the Father made it clear that nobody is God but Him and Him alone. I am the maker of all things stretching out the heavens by myself and spreading out the earth all alone Isa 44:24. I am Yahweh and there is no other besides Me Isa 45:5. Besides me the Father saying besides me there is no God besides me. The only God is our Lord Jesus Christ's God and our Lord's God is the Father alone and nobody else. It's really clear isn't it when you look at these facts it's really clear that God the Father is the one speaking in those passages all the evidence shows us it's God the Father. The evidence also shows us it's not the son and it shouldn't surprise us that it's God the Father. I mean just picture yourself as Jesus and you're twenty years old and you're reading the Old Testament you're reading the book of Isaiah and you're reading about your God saying these things. Who is your God by the way? the Father and nobody else, and He's saying these things pretty simple. Jesus had to obey the Shema hear O Israel the Lord our God the Lord is one Deut 6:4, just like every other Jew he had to. He was born under law so he's reading these statements from Isaiah and his God is nobody but the Father alone. That's all you got to know if you really think about it that's all you got to know that Jesus Christ God is the Father alone and then you know who the God of the Bible is. You know the God of the old testament. I hope that helps some of you. God bless you.